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[DYNACORD]

Dear kilakali, My friend Chyna say's she has no idea of who you are and that there is no recollection of ever speaking to someone of your build or educational background. She spoke to a clinical professional quite a few years ago. I tend to think you may have the wrong girl, since you have seen sooooooooo many.
Clinical studies have their purpose. We all know that. But try seriously dating them. Falling in love with one. And better yet, living with one. You can study all you want but you only get the outside of the subject. Not the heart and soul.
Question for you. If the girl believes she is a girl trapped in the wrong body as mentioned by you and others and (my own girl friend), yet has not come up with the money to get breast augmentation (mine has breast) but is on hormones and lives as a woman 24/7, that she is not a transexual???? I believe you will have a lot of TGirls that will correct you in your opinion.
This can be debated till the cows come home. The point of the thread was to
stimulate our freaky minds and show off my friend over and above what Mr. Remy has. Nothing more, nothing less. TS, TS, TS, TS!!!!

[TVSURFER]

I think there was perhaps a slight memory lapse to go from the dissertation description of:

"A transvestitie is a man or woman who dresses as the opposite sex for sexual gradification, but is aware of his manhood or her womanhood and content with same. {My own TV description sounds mighty close to this}
A transexual on the other hand is a person who truly considers themselves trapped in the wrong body and desires and takes all actions necessary to correct their gender dysphoria. That is to say they take hormones, have the medical help needed to reach their goal of transition and in the advance stages live as a woman in the case of a MtF or as a Male in the case of a FtM 24/7. There is as you can see, a major difference between the transvestite and the transexual."

to the much shorter and quite different description of:

"A TS by fault is a girl that has gone all the way (SRS). "

By the way, I'm from California, it was a joke contact L. Ron Hubbard if you need counseling on account of it. j/k

I guess this quote was for me to reply, as to say what?
I explained my position! Kiliakali and I are on the same page! My assertion is confirmed by noted authorities (Dr. Benjamin and now, kilakali). I'm satisfied my point was validated by a person who truly and honestly know what they are talking about! And, equally gratifying, kilakali has interviewed this person for reference in research! Why are you citing my quote to him? He has credentials (whew; cultural anthropology) you don't! You take pictures.
I was letting him know I was impressed. I'm not impressed by your fervor to verify your point which has been rendered null and void. Subsequently, what does citing my quote to kilakali have to do with your point now?
You're the one who make frivolous character statements and try to pass them off as jokes or what you meant; the California jab didn't have any tint, at all!
You’re the one who doesn’t agree with a noted expert, yet you don’t reference your counterpoint to counter a commended researcher of the subject; or explain why you think his findings are skewered enough for YOU to disagree to buttress your point?
I did; my position has been noted, confirmed and verified, there’s nothing else IMO.
Chyna is a TV!
Who is this?

[DYNACORD]

Who's that? A person I guess. Who's it supposed to be?

I was going to say something "smart ass" but did'nt want to start something.
Surfer, some off these threads look like:::who's smarter and wiser than the next guy responses. Things are a little dicey on this one. Anyone got some new PICTURES of anything???????? "LOL"

[Ms Remy M]

Dear kilakali, My friend Chyna say's she has no idea of who you are and that there is no recollection of ever speaking to someone of your build or educational background. She spoke to a clinical professional quite a few years ago. I tend to think you may have the wrong girl, since you have seen sooooooooo many.
Clinical studies have their purpose. We all know that. But try seriously dating them. Falling in love with one. And better yet, living with one. You can study all you want but you only get the outside of the subject. Not the heart and soul.
Question for you. If the girl believes she is a girl trapped in the wrong body as mentioned by you and others and (my own girl friend), yet has not come up with the money to get breast augmentation (mine has breast) but is on hormones and lives as a woman 24/7, that she is not a transexual???? I believe you will have a lot of TGirls that will correct you in your opinion.
This can be debated till the cows come home. The point of the thread was to
stimulate our freaky minds and show off my friend over and above what Mr. Remy has. Nothing more, nothing less. TS, TS, TS, TS!!!!

Let's just let it rest, while I don't agree with his conclusion of her being a 'tv' I also don't agree with some other professionals. I reckon we are doing something wrong though, out of 723 unique models they say 98% are transvestites which is like only 15 models being actual 'ts'. I sure as hell haven't met them all but he must have so oh well. Who cares, right. My major complaint has already been cleared up after reading the old thread. I do believe he has retracted the statement in this thread about only post-ops being 'ts'.

[DYNACORD]

Consider it done. "NEEXXXTTT"!

[Ms Remy M]

I guess this quote was for me to reply, as to say what?
I explained my position! Kiliakali and I are on the same page! My assertion is confirmed by noted authorities (Dr. Benjamin and now, kilakali). I'm satisfied my point was validated by a person who truly and honestly know what they are talking about! And, equally gratifying, kilakali has interviewed this person for reference in research! Why are you citing my quote to him? He has credentials (whew; cultural anthropology) you don't! You take pictures.
I was letting him know I was impressed. I'm not impressed by your fervor to verify your point which has been rendered null and void. Subsequently, what does citing my quote to kilakali have to do with your point now?
You're the one who make frivolous character statements and try to pass them off as jokes or what you meant; the California jab didn't have any tint, at all!
You’re the one who doesn’t agree with a noted expert, yet you don’t reference your counterpoint to counter a commended researcher of the subject; or explain why you think his findings are skewered enough for YOU to disagree to buttress your point?
I did; my position has been noted, confirmed and verified, there’s nothing else IMO.
Chyna is a TV!
Who is this?

Nope, it was for Kilakali to reply to and he already corrected himself. By the way, Surfer, you can say you are the Queen of England and list all sorts of people with seven degrees of separation from her, but it doesn't make it a fact. Former President Bush and his Administration said there was Weapons Of Mass Destruction as well, but I guess you have no problems believing that since it came from professionals.

Kilakali has already stated that Chyna was not in the research study he stated he was a part of and that his time with her was not in a clinical aspect, but for his own "self gratification". Read into that what you will.

I, like some contemporary transgender activists consider the so-called "Benjamin Standards of Care," the formal HBIGDA treatment protocols that bear his name, to be offensively patronizing and pathologizing.

One particular point with the SOC I don't agree with is the stated need "to have one formal letter from a mental health professional before patients are allowed to be referred to a doctor for breast implants." So transgendered people are not competent enough to decide on breast implants on their own, but genetic girls can?

Surfer you said she was a Type Three Transvestite; I disagreed with this point on the basis that she is not heterosexual at all, dressing as a female in itself doesn't give her sexual satisfaction, nor does she feel her gender is masculine but with less conviction. I don't know if you now are going to claim that you conducted a mental health exam on her to back up your belief that she falls into that category, but again this is the internet and you can say you did whatever.

[TVSURFER]

Who's that? A person I guess. Who's it supposed to be?

I was going to say something "smart ass" but did'nt want to start something.
Surfer, some off these threads look like:::who's smarter and wiser than the next guy responses. Things are a little dicey on this one. Anyone got some new PICTURES of anything???????? "LOL"

Well if I'm included in replies then I'm I'm going to respond. It's too bad that you and your ilk drive down the road the opposite way. I won't respond to a thread if I don't have references to back it up, especially in a public forum! It's obvious you and your ilk have never participated in thought provoking venues. I'm a confident person; when I speak, I want to have knowledge of what I'm talking about. Why go to a gunfight with no bullets?
I personally believe the you and Remy are envious of who kilakali knows and now, what he knows! However, since this is a forum that caters to black t-girls, and all things black t-girls, I'm going to speak on any subject of debate. All I ask is that you come right if you counter point to one of my threads; don't try pseudo-abhorrence of what I say and how I say it! In the real world its called hatin'.
I'll give anyone support on their point if its warrented, because if nothing else, I try to be fair. If you can't get to it, then it's your problem. Debate is healthy because it clears the air, yet its competitive, very knowledgeable and thought provoking, to find a means to an end.
Nevertheless, you are entitled to your opinion of me, because we all hide behind our keyboards. But, if TVSurfer rolls off your keys, and you have something "smart ass" to say, remember: Come right! I DO respect everyone! Don't chime in subjectively and you can't give an opposing viewpoint or lend something to conversation; other than butt smooching, schmoosing up to t-girls imitating real women, with a burr in their boy cut panties!
PS; that was any picture!

[kilakali]

Dear kilakali, My friend Chyna say's she has no idea of who you are and that there is no recollection of ever speaking to someone of your build or educational background. She spoke to a clinical professional quite a few years ago. I tend to think you may have the wrong girl, since you have seen sooooooooo many.
Clinical studies have their purpose. We all know that. But try seriously dating them. Falling in love with one. And better yet, living with one. You can study all you want but you only get the outside of the subject. Not the heart and soul.
Question for you. If the girl believes she is a girl trapped in the wrong body as mentioned by you and others and (my own girl friend), yet has not come up with the money to get breast augmentation (mine has breast) but is on hormones and lives as a woman 24/7, that she is not a transexual???? I believe you will have a lot of TGirls that will correct you in your opinion.
This can be debated till the cows come home. The point of the thread was to
stimulate our freaky minds and show off my friend over and above what Mr. Remy has. Nothing more, nothing less. TS, TS, TS, TS!!!!

I stated I didnt talk to her as a subject she doesnt know my profession. In general conversations I dont reveal that info( to keep the diggers away). I was trying to find out what made her "tick". She definitely isnt Phi Beta Kappa material. Did it also dawn on you that she will tell you what she wants you to know? I also keep in contact with 90% of the girls i come in contact with , so i am not mistaken. To respond to the little sarcastic remark on me knowing many girls(any simpleton can go to ANY thread I posted on asking about girls. I provided accuarate information.
By the way in previous thread and in my signature I have had quite a long relationship with Julia Jones, and not to mention a number of other t-girls.
To answer your question yes, but she would be a pre-op and as i stated before there are underlining factors to go along with that, and sorry to say she doesnt fit in those factors. As I stated BEFORE you will have to find out those factors on your own as I didnt want to put her business out in the street. Evidently you dont have a clue on the underlinings; if you did you wouldnt be saying TS, TS,TS.

[Ms Remy M]

You are right Surfer, debate is healthy and fun. I much prefer your vigor to the brief quite time you went through (reference to our past PM's). I should not have brought jokes into the debate I do apologize, but had I not, we probably still wouldn't know kilakali's profession. Seriously, anyone can study something, hell I'm sure the bouncers at clubs know a lot of tgirls too. I can see how kilakali might have made a general assessment of her character, and can take that as an answer. Speaking for myself, I'm not envious of kilakali, though I do congratulate him on any positive work he's done for the LGBT community.

As stated before, Dr. Benjamin made great strides for the community as well, and my disagreements also stem from how many practicioners took his protocols and in many cases would deny hormones from patients beyond a time period that would be acceptable in other branches of medicine or psychology. Being transexual is not a choice, and denying hormones because a patient is an escort and/or doesn't hold a typical 9 to 5 job to satisfy the SOC is wrong yet commonly occured for many years, though there have been many great strides to correct such issues especially with the tg clinics. Many practicioners who are not well-versed in tg affairs take the SOC (which is a guide based on theories, not medical law) and either intentionally or through ignorance harshly deny medical treatment of hormones indefinitely or until unobtainable goals are met. Practices such as this would not be tolerated for any other medical condition and I feel more revisions are called for to the SOC.