Morehouse College cracks down on cross-dressing

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*sigh* sad news for those tg's, but it really shouldn't have been a surprise with it being a private all male school.

Federally funded discrimination, what a shame.

Sad news for the tg's? The institution was right to impose a stricter dress code! Fuck it's Morehouse, not Chittlin' Switch College! It's Morehouse; a historical Black College! I take pride in that, even if you have no connection!
I don't think I've ever heard of the boi's doing that at Harvard, Yale or Princeton! Is gayness flaunted at Notre Dame? Couldn't try this shit at the military academies! Nobody is against their gayness or their right to be gay, but not like this! All they are doing is shining an unnecessary spotlight on a Black institution when there isn't a need.
And, if the government wanted to take the funding from the school, I think Morehouse has a hell of a defense!
It's a shame anyone would suggest the fault lies with the college. There is nothing wrong with decorum and/or protocol which, these little boys seem to lack the knowledge! This site ask for as much in respect!

[peggygee]

Sad news for the tg's? The institution was right to impose a stricter dress code! Fuck it's Morehouse, not Chittlin' Switch College! It's Morehouse; a historical Black College! I take pride in that, even if you have no connection!
I don't think I've ever heard of the boi's doing that at Harvard, Yale or Princeton! Is gayness flaunted at Notre Dame? Couldn't try this shit at the military academies! Nobody is against their gayness or their right to be gay, but not like this! All they are doing is shining an unnecessary spotlight on a Black institution when there isn't a need.
And, if the government wanted to take the funding from the school, I think Morehouse has a hell of a defense!
It's a shame anyone would suggest the fault lies with the college. There is nothing wrong with decorum and/or protocol which, these little boys seem to lack the knowledge! This site ask for as much in respect!

A few points that I would like to make in response to your post:

1. Gender identity, and sexual orientation are very, very different.

Transgenderism and being gay are very different entities.

2. The fact that Morehouse is an HBCU is a moot point. They are domiciled
in Atlanta which instituted legislation prohibiting discrimination on the basis
of gender identity in 2000, and which is in receipt of state and Federal funds in
the form of loans and grants for it's students, as well as tax breaks, as I
mentioned upthread.

3. Not sure which colleges you have gone to, but all of my post secondary
matriculation, undergrad and graduate has been as the female I am, though
admittedly I did so in stealth, however there were many gender variant
people in attendance.

And nope I didn't attend "Chittlin' Switch College", but rather Ivy league
institutions that are world renowned, including course-work at Harvard.

By the by, the College of William and Mary the second oldest college in the
US, founded in 1693, just elected a transgender homecoming queen.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-wm...,4223064.story

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A few points that I would like to make in response to your post:

1. Gender identity, and sexual orientation are very, very different.

Transgenderism and being gay are very different entities.

2. The fact that Morehouse is an HBCU is a moot point. They are domiciled
in Atlanta which instituted legislation prohibiting discrimination on the basis
of gender identity in 2000, and which is in receipt of state and Federal funds in
the form of loans and grants for it's students, as well as tax breaks, as I
mentioned upthread.

3. Not sure which colleges you have gone to, but all of my post secondary
matriculation, undergrad and graduate has been as the female I am, though
admittedly I did so in stealth, however there were many gender variant
people in attendance.

And nope I didn't attend "Chittlin' Switch College", but rather Ivy league
institutions that are world renowned, including course-work at Harvard.

By the by, the College of William and Mary the second oldest college in the
US, founded in 1693, just elected a transgender homecoming queen.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-wm...,4223064.story

First of all, I never said you went to Chittlin’ Switch College and why are you personalizing this? I wasn’t replying to you, anyway! I don’t care where you "matriculated", I’m glad you went somewhere and finished (you did finish, right?)!
As for what is gay and being transgender, well you’re late on that one; we’ve kicked that around more than a few times on this board. I don’t need to be reeducated, educated.
Any academic institution has a right to implement a dress code, purposely, private ones. Most parents examine those sorts of things when they visit such schools, obvious these five young men’s parents didn’t or didn’t care. They really shouldn’t have gone there.
Morehouse has a right to impose a dress code, based on its tradition and legacy; just like the Ivy leagues and military academes. The parochial schools throughout the nation have dress codes which entails; no hats, sagging pants and do-tags. Morehouse is a private school for men; all men inclusive. The school has constructed rules for those men who attend their school, to abide by those rules; its also obvious Morehouse’s gay population hasn’t a problem with the new dress code. I can assume they didn’t want to challenge this dictum because of the negative notoriety would have on the school. After all, there is life after college.
Nonetheless, based on its tradition of upholding all local laws and federal statutes, why Morehouse would allow itself to be placed in an untenable position with the City of Atlanta or the US government by five little boys, who are glad they can stay up past eleven? I don’t think they’ll lose any funding or tax breaks because of this.
As far as your homecoming queen, the person was shocked as anyone when he was elected to the position. The school didn’t do anything about it, I would assume, because of their rules and/or tradition and legacy or, So What? It’s not evidence or relevant to this issue: He "didn’t know" he was crowned homecoming queen at one of the nation’s oldest colleges!

[peggygee]

First of all, I never said you went to Chittlin’ Switch College and why are you personalizing this? I wasn’t replying to you, anyway! I don’t care where you "matriculated", I’m glad you went somewhere and finished (you did finish, right?)!
As for what is gay and being transgender, well you’re late on that one; we’ve kicked that around more than a few times on this board. I don’t need to be reeducated, educated.
Any academic institution has a right to implement a dress code, purposely, private ones. Most parents examine those sorts of things when they visit such schools, obvious these five young men’s parents didn’t or didn’t care. They really shouldn’t have gone there.
Morehouse has a right to impose a dress code, based on its tradition and legacy; just like the Ivy leagues and military academes. The parochial schools throughout the nation have dress codes which entails; no hats, sagging pants and do-tags. Morehouse is a private school for men; all men inclusive. The school has constructed rules for those men who attend their school, to abide by those rules; its also obvious Morehouse’s gay population hasn’t a problem with the new dress code. I can assume they didn’t want to challenge this dictum because of the negative notoriety would have on the school. After all, there is life after college.
Nonetheless, based on its tradition of upholding all local laws and federal statutes, why Morehouse would allow itself to be placed in an untenable position with the City of Atlanta or the US government by five little boys, who are glad they can stay up past eleven? I don’t think they’ll lose any funding or tax breaks because of this.
As far as your homecoming queen, the person was shocked as anyone when he was elected to the position. The school didn’t do anything about it, I would assume, because of their rules and/or tradition and legacy or, So What? It’s not evidence or relevant to this issue: He "didn’t know" he was crowned homecoming queen at one of the nation’s oldest colleges!

Nope, didn't take it personal, rarely does anything stated on the Net get my
panties in a bunch, just a little healthy debate.

Dress codes are one thing, and I think in many instances they are a good
thing. Indeed the proposed dress codes at Morehouse call for no baggy
pants, do rags, sun glasses in class, flip flops, pajamas, etc.

To re-iterate, my concern is for the the five allegedly transgendered
students, who may be being stifled in their gender identity expression, while
the gays are allowed free rein to have gay alliances and student groups.

Creating a hostile learning environment puts up yet another barrier for trans
women who would like to pursue higher education, and to become degreed as
I did and to garner marketable skills.

[peggygee]

First of all, I never said you went to Chittlin’ Switch College and why are you personalizing this? I wasn’t replying to you, anyway! I don’t care where you "matriculated", I’m glad you went somewhere and finished (you did finish, right?)!

As far as your homecoming queen, the person was shocked as anyone when he was elected to the position. The school didn’t do anything about it, I would assume, because of their rules and/or tradition and legacy or, So What? It’s not evidence or relevant to this issue: He "didn’t know" he was crowned homecoming queen at one of the nation’s oldest colleges!

Additionally, my rationale for alluding to my curriculum vitae and the
Homecoming Queen was in response to your assertion that there are no
gender variant people at the Ivy league schools like Harvard, Princeton,
Yale, et al..

By the by, I was wondering why you referred to the person as "he" numerous
times. The person identifies as gender neutral, yet you have used the gender
designation of "he", was wondering what your reasoning was for this.

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Additionally, my rationale for alluding to my curriculum vitae and the
Homecoming Queen was in response to your assertion that there are no
gender variant people at the Ivy league schools like Harvard, Princeton,
Yale, et al..

By the by, I was wondering why you referred to the person as "he" numerous
times. The person identifies as gender neutral, yet you have used the gender
designation of "he", was wondering what your reasoning was for this.

Should I have refered to "him" as "it"? Let's be for real; I read the article.
This person is trying to find their (happy) self. Even he states that he doesn’t know how he would like to be identified. “I don't identify as a woman. It really just depends on the day and the occasion”, he said. I said “he” because that’s what he is, a male; his physical make up. If he doesn’t know what he is, then it’s something he has to deal with and come to some type of resolve.

[TurboMan]

Sad news for the tg's? The institution was right to impose a stricter dress code! Fuck it's Morehouse, not Chittlin' Switch College! It's Morehouse; a historical Black College! I take pride in that, even if you have no connection!
I don't think I've ever heard of the boi's doing that at Harvard, Yale or Princeton! Is gayness flaunted at Notre Dame? Couldn't try this shit at the military academies! Nobody is against their gayness or their right to be gay, but not like this! All they are doing is shining an unnecessary spotlight on a Black institution when there isn't a need.
And, if the government wanted to take the funding from the school, I think Morehouse has a hell of a defense!
It's a shame anyone would suggest the fault lies with the college. There is nothing wrong with decorum and/or protocol which, these little boys seem to lack the knowledge! This site ask for as much in respect!

Ditto..Damnit!!!!!

[RangeHova]

From what I have heard, living here in Atlanta, none of the 5 students are transgendered. It has simply become a fashion trend among some Atlanta Black gays to sport heels, purses, make up and feminine attire in general. I don't see it as discrimination against the TG or gay community no more than a ban on ballcaps and sagging jeans is discrimination against hip hop.

The school has a large number of out gay males and when other students have lashed out against them the school has worked hard to support those student's rights and freedoms to safely attend the college and to be respected by others.

The fact that the school has a dress code that goes across the board against any clothing that would not get you hired in corporate America is a good thing.

I feel what Peggy is saying but I think when she talks about her experience it is coming from a TS woman. These cases are not that. On top of that this is an all male college. I would hope that a TS would choose not to attend a all male school and then expect the college to accept her as a female. If you identify as a woman then don't apply to such a school. In essence you would be attempting to turn the school into a coed school. If women can not attend the school why allow a TS to attend. I would feel the same about a male (genetic or trans) trying to attend Spellman.

I'm sure that if they are on scholarship from such a acclaimed school they can get a scholarship at another school. Or they can just wait the four years to transition.

[peggygee]

If women can not attend the school why allow a TS to attend. I would feel the same about a male (genetic or trans) trying to attend Spellman.

RangeHova, always a pleasure to hear from and have a discourse with you.

Your statement above begs the question should pre op MTF transwomen be
discriminated in being allowed to attend Spelman.

Alongst those some lines, should a biological female who is transitioning to
male be allowed to attend.

[anonymoussonny]

MOST men who like men ... or penis + penis = ...... EXACTLY MY POINT!!! You got that?

No I didn't get that... I am in love with the feminine form and I am not going to argue with you about liking Men vs. TS/TG.



I don't want to start a war but I want to show you that generalizations are WRONG, no matter how cute you may be.