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You've made a good point Kitty, but you're speaking totally of the way you feel about guys who ABSOLUTELY LOVE dick. I'm not talking about dick-obsessed guys. Most of the guys on this site are not dick obsessed, but I guarantee you that they have no problem commenting on a girl's penis just as well as her ass. I'm not speaking of extreme terms here, I'm only making a point of the typical guy on this site. If the guys on this site had an issue with a penis, they wouldn't be here looking at the girls with penises. Sorry, but it is what it is Kitty. Now, that doesn't mean that you should be associated as the girl with a penis. Not saying that at all. When someone says Kitty to me, I think of a woman named Kitty. I'm not thinking of her penis. Again, a difference between dick-obsessed guys and "heteronormative" guys. Quick question Kitty: Would you consider yourself heteronormative?
Shaun, I understand your art experiment point, but it's definitely documented that chemical composition has a great deal to do with the amount of femininity or masculinity one possesses. That, coupled with genetic makeup. Since I am a Biology graduate, I would probably steer my point more in the direction of science based logic. That's just the way my mind is hardwired. But you made a very valid point though. It is still a circle, sir.
I am probably the most heteronormative transsexual you'll ever meet.
So what if a "straight" male or "straight" female doesn't perceive transgendered people as hetero? I'm only asking this question Kitty, because I'm trying to understand what the term heteronormative means to you. Remember KM, I think you're a sexy, beautiful woman. I just like to have these discussions.
I think the separation between the guys that enjoy shemales can be observed outside of the bedroom. There are the guys that give a damn about the size of the shemale's penis and those that don't. Within the group of guys that care you will find your cock worshippers, etc...
These are the guys who may say "She has a beautiful body and a BIG love stick." These guys may look at certain tgirls with disappointment like "She has a big ass, but if only she had a big pussy stick to go along with it she'd be perfect."
Reality is that a portion of the guys that really care about shemale cock were once guys that didn't, but got "turned out" over time. The mentality went from "I'd still fuck even though it has a penis" to "I want to fuck and play with the penis" to "I want to fuck and get fucked." :eek:
Ultimately I think the shemale porn industry is making the best porn for the largest portion of its audience.
There's a lot of truth in this.... But surely the largest portion of its audience are the guys who fall into the category "I'd still fuck her even though she has a cock" which soon overlaps with those guys who dont mind playing with TS cock and in turn that overlaps with guys who actively enjoy playing with TS cock, e.g. rubbing their own cock against the TS's cock (which I find very erotic! lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by onone
The absolute stark difference is when you're talking about guys who include their assholes as an errogenous zone...
And it is my contention that the vast majority of guys - whether they have a thing for TS Porn or not - do NOT like things going all up in their assholes.
Infact, when you think about it, most Women don't like being penetrated in their assholes... So thank God for TS Women who list their asshole as one of their errogenous zones! lol
This, for me, is a major part of the attraction of TS Porn: it is the fact that anal sex is on offer, and like a lot of guys, I have a real intense fetish for sliding my cock into a babe's asshole.
The fact that TS Porn producers choose to mix/dilute/fuck up their product with hairy assed men getting DRILLED out by TS COCK and endless footage of bored TS Models routinely stroking their cock is really confusing to me...
I'm not saying such scenes shouldn't exist, cos of course there will always be a market of cock-obsessed guys who couldn't care about the model and only FOCUS on her cock...
What I'm arguing for is a DISTINCT TS genre, on DVD and websites, for guys like me (who I consider to be the majority, i.e. into the babe and her ass, not spellbound by her cock and whether or not she will fuck them)....
Mixing these two markets together makes no sense!... Its the same as str8 porn producers mixing their product with the babe getting drilled in one scene, and in the next she's wearing a strap-on a fucking the hell out of a guys skinny hairy ass... Nonsense!
Sadly, TS producers know they can supply pretty much anything cos they know full well that guys like me have a very INTENSE fetish for TS babes and therefore I will have no choice but to keep coming back, even though I have to sift through a whole load of irrelevant stuff that means nothing to me before I occasionally find the odd gem or 2 (usually courtesy of Remy or Buddy Wood, god bless x)
But as I said, as soon as TS Porn that caters for my very simple tastes becomes available, then that is where my custom goes....
Imagine it... scene after scene after scene where the TS Model is simply playing the part of a seductive Woman... who just happens to have a dick...
... rather than shooting scenes in a style that only serves to transform the TS Model into a predatory DICK with a babe attached, playing on the quasi -homosexual self-loathing of relatively small numbers of men, and thereby ensuring that the TS market will forever be ghetto-ized in this scene.
A babe is a babe is a babe is a babe is babe!... It doesn't matter if she has a dick or not (although I like it because it pretty much kinda guarantees anal sex with her, lol)
The point is, I would no more want Hazel Tucker to fuck me up my arse than I would want Jenna Jameson to fuck me up my arse with a strap-on... THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!! LOL
Producers!... Wake up!....You dont have to mix these two ENTIRELY DISTINCT markets together!!!
SHAUN
A TS MODEL IS MORE THAN A DICK WITH A BABE ATTACHED!
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LET THE GIRLS BE GIRLS AND THE BOYS BE BOYS!
I'll explain my heteronormality
I am a woman
I feel like a woman, i like like a woman
it is a man's job to penetrate and a womans job to be penetrated. Any compromise of that switches, dillutes and confuses what i consider to be the sexual roles assigned to the opposite sexes. i only get off by men who fulfill their bill as a man (in my opinion). It is demeaning for a man to get on his knees and beg for cock. It is demeaning for a man to bend over and assume a feminine sexual role and nothing turns me off more than a man who desires the role of a female.
That all being said, this is how i feel and that is how I am heteronormative. Whether or not heterosexual people consider me to be heterosexual or normative matters not to me. In my dealing with trans attracted men I have discovered that men are not entirely heterosexual when they are involved with trans women. As much as i've told myself that, the fact that your average heterosexual man probably wouldnt sleep with a chick with a dick tells me all i need to know about the clear cut heterosexuality of men who are attacted to trans women. So I consider myself a heteronormative and heterosexual woman because I am a woman who desires the true definition of a heterosexual relationship. On the other hand, I recognize my anatomy doesnt lend itself to a completely heterosexual relationship. Therefore, I call my realtionships heteronormal.
Confusing, i know, but basically i am a woman who expects men to be men. Simply put. I hope that doesn't offend you, but this is how i feel. And I've discovered that a lot of men can feel the same way
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Originally Posted by kittymatthews
No, not confusing at all. I totally understand what you're talking about. I understand your point and I'm sure you know where I'm going with my point. The reason it's so hard to argue my point is because you emphatically use the phrase, "in my opinion." Therefore, I digress. But I think you know where I was going with that. About offending me? No ma'am Kitty. I, too, desire the warm sensation of a nice pussy around my dick. My sexual flings or hook-up partners are biological women. When I'm horny and need some sexual gratification, a transsexual would be my last resort. So, when I started this little debate with you, I wasn't speaking for myself. I was only playing devil's advocate. However, I do like to look at a penis on a woman because it is totally sexy to me. It's kinda oxymoronic. A beautiful face with nice tits, beautiful round ass, sexy stomach and shapely hips right? Then she turns around and POW!!! In your face! That is totally gorgeous to me. Doesn't mean I want her to bend me over and bang my back out. There is a difference Ms. Kitty between loving the transsexual anatomy, visually and desiring to be blasted.
So you only fuck transsexuals out of desperation.
This further confirms my reasons for heteronormality.
I think thats sorta sad and i think it's sad that a lot o guys are like that. Cis gendered women dont want to fuck them so they fuck transsexuals because a lot of transsexuals need validation.
Sad sad.
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Originally Posted by kittymatthews
Huh? Kitty, I'm afraid you look too much into things that aren't there. Those words didn't come out of my mouth at all. I'm not desparate for anything. I have made you a friend on this site so I'm sure you've seen my profile pictures and if you haven't then go check them out. As you can see, I have no need, in the slightest, to be desparate. And as you can clearly see, I'm definitely not likely to get rejected by Cis or Trans gendered women. So there's no need for me to use transsexuals because I have no luck with biowomen. I've never experienced that, sorry. What's sad Kitty, is that you would actually assume this was the case. Would it be safe for me to assume that the reason you assumed such a thing is because you have been the second option to a man that got rejected by a biowoman? Perhaps I could, but that wouldn't be smart considering I don't know much about you or what goes on in your life. Assumptions, in most cases are never correct or wise. Let me explain what I meant in my last post. Before I even became interested in transsexuals, I was only involved with biowomen. I had no idea what a transsexual was until I reached my mid twenties. So, automatically my first desire is pussy because that's what I've always liked and had a desire for and grew up chasing. Just because pussy is my first choice doesn't mean that I can't have a desire for transsexuals. Afterall, a woman is a woman right? I don't see any difference between you and Kim Kardashian other than outer physical appearance. To me, both of you are women, period! So, I don't understand why it appears to you that I kick it with transsexuals out of desparation or second option; I mean, are you a woman or aren't you? Seems like you're separating yourself from biowomen. They're women to me and if I see a woman (cis or trans) that I like, then I'm going to go after her. Let me also inform you that I don't associate with weak minded individuals. Every woman that I have been involved with is secure in who she is. She knows she's a woman and doesn't need me to validate her. Women kick it with me because they find me attractive, interesting, fun, and likewise, I do they. And let me just conclude with this statement....Concerning your "heteronormality." If you told any person who isn't an advocate of LGBT or a hater of the LGBT community, they would say that you aren't a woman and they would also say that this man you consider "heteronormal" is a fag for knowing that you possess a penis, but insists on bending you over and fucking you anyway. To us guys that love transsexuals, yes, you are a woman. But to those others that frown upon this thing, you are a feminine man....or in their terms, a fuckin faggot. So this whole thing of hetero or homo is quite relative and one's opinion depends on what side of the fence one's spectating from.