I think most guys/girls seek excusivity

I often read arguments from the ladies that state how guys are thirsty and since they are thirsty, they go after $$$. This is problematic because it's sort of like the chicken and the egg debate. Which came first, thirsty guys wanting dick/ass or thirst ts wanting money/favors?

I don't really think it's cool to put the weight of the world down on a guy who happens to dig ts because he doesn't know what it's like to be a ts. I mean, sure I may not know what it's like on a day to day basis but that doesn't mean I don't or am not capable of understanind their struggles.

Just like most guys don't care about the depth of a transsexual beyond her dick size and oral capabilities, most TS don't care to know about the depth of a guy...his profession, his interests, his hobbies, his education, etc. That's just the fine line we walk in this lifestyle.

The truth is, I am sure there of plenty of real men out here who would love to openly date, get to know, and chilll with a transsexual beyond just the physical part. Just as i'm sure there are plenty of transsexual women who really do want to be wanted for WHO they are, not what they do. Either requires a level of maturity. I do find however, that the burden is usually harder for a man seeking ts attention than a ts seeking a mans attention. Why? Well, if I talk to one too many ts, or I go to a gay club to find one, or I do any of a long list of "forbiden" things than I am labeled a tranny chaser, trade, etc. Again, it is what it is. However, it it's ok for her to "date" her way to the top.

The truth is, I think it all comes down to exclusivity. More so for TS than men. Whereas most admirers don't mind a girl who's been around the block, most TS won't be caught dead with a guy who's fucked more than 2 transsexuals as a serious partner. A weird game of my morality is better than yours if you ask me. Only until we get pass this childish idealogy, we will stay chasing the same chicken and egg theories of the past...

Just thought i'd change up the content a bit and get some discussion going...;)

I think I know what you mean. People want to mean something to one another, but when it comes to a promiscuous partner you half expect they won't remember your face from one week to another, there are so many faces in their lives. And there's a lot of lying and hiding to make it seem you are exclusive to them. But it's a game to extract more of what they want or need. At least in my situations, neither party is innocent, and I think the only alternatives are to either quit the game or try to be completely honest.

Well, that was my interpretation of where this thread was going.

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Originally Posted by MrF

I think I know what you mean. People want to mean something to one another, but when it comes to a promiscuous partner you half expect they won't remember your face from one week to another, there are so many faces in their lives. And there's a lot of lying and hiding to make it seem you are exclusive to them. But it's a game to extract more of what they want or need. At least in my situations, neither party is innocent, and I think the only alternatives are to either quit the game or try to be completely honest.

Well, that was my interpretation of where this thread was going.

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mr f. i think thats an interesting approach to this topic. i wonder if the women who work in the escort lifestyle see the hypocrisy in their choice/beliefs. on one hand u want a totally committed and honest guy whose never been involved with another tranny, and on the other hand u want to continue to work via escorting, dating, fucking, and sucking the client (or not) with the deepest wallet? she demands exclusiveness yet she isnt willing to give it. thats an unrealistic burden of trust to lay on a guy....trust me baby, all these guys i have sex with are paying clients...how can u want something u really arent likely to reciprocate?

Interesting topic. If a guy chooses to enter a relationship with an escort he is either going to have to accept her business or help her transition from the fast money lifestyle to the 9-5 job lifestyle (not an easy thing) which will probably mean taking care of her financially for a while.

Many ts claim not to want a guy who has had many ts sex partners because other ts will brag about how they have been with the guy. A lot of btg's tend to 'hate' on each other, so this proves as something to really rub in a girls face. I don't think anyone should care about what someone else might say, but that's just me. Also if a ts knows you've slept with other ts they tend to think that you're just bouncing from one hot ts to the other, rarely taking into consideration that this is the same conumdrum that females deal with. It all boils down to mutual trust and communication really.

I personally lean on the logic that a ts would be better suited with a guy who has been 'around the block' a bit and has come to understand what qualities they like in a ts and is finally ready to settle down with the right one. A guy new to the world of 'ts' is more likely to stray from home and test the waters elsewhere or feel uncomfortable being with a ts in public.

i think u guys just spoke for alot of men out there who are appriciative of ts's
i'm really starting to like this forum.

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Originally Posted by Remy757Photog

Interesting topic. If a guy chooses to enter a relationship with an escort he is either going to have to accept her business or help her transition from the fast money lifestyle to the 9-5 job lifestyle (not an easy thing) which will probably mean taking care of her financially for a while.

Many ts claim not to want a guy who has had many ts sex partners because other ts will brag about how they have been with the guy. A lot of btg's tend to 'hate' on each other, so this proves as something to really rub in a girls face. I don't think anyone should care about what someone else might say, but that's just me. Also if a ts knows you've slept with other ts they tend to think that you're just bouncing from one hot ts to the other, rarely taking into consideration that this is the same conumdrum that females deal with. It all boils down to mutual trust and communication really.

I personally lean on the logic that a ts would be better suited with a guy who has been 'around the block' a bit and has come to understand what qualities they like in a ts and is finally ready to settle down with the right one. A guy new to the world of 'ts' is more likely to stray from home and test the waters elsewhere or feel uncomfortable being with a ts in public.

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Very interesting thoughts in this comment. I too believe this game is no different than the male/female, Dog/Cat chase. But that is the foundation and then you have the whole transitioning aspect that you put on top of it. Every dwelling is not going to be the same. And what i mean by that is every interaction between a man and woman or man and tranny or man and female- escort or man and trans-escort is different. I was just asking Jess in her post when does a man stop being the trick and become the treat like go from the john to being the man or jump-off, etc. But you got it on the nail with the experienced ts-dater than the newbie who doen't know what to expect or know how to treat a TS. The mere fact that i have been on a few dates, invested-dates of course and i still don't really know the ends and outs and all the game that goes on in the TS world is proof of what is mention above by Remy.
I will say though this whole relationship thing is based on communciation one based on honesty and realness. Cause i can honestly say i wouldn't front like I'm going to marry a TS and settle down and have a family, I'm not. But i've seen some that made me say damn I couldn't see it being too bad. To me i had to evaluate that thought and understand that i was basing my acceptance on physical features and not personality. Cause there was only two or three TS i been with had that good homegrown personality. I also know I obviously enjoy the company of beautiful women and if they hold more tools of love or use those tools with more versatility then they can ride with me, TS or not. Am i a tranny chaser, i don't chase anyone so the answer is no. I'm a business man whether it's love, sex, or war i like to handle my business and expect the same from any partner that does business with me .

I hear what your saying. I stumble on a internet radio show a few weeks ago. Its called queens of media, a show that’s hosted by 2 well known black TG. Their show is about black TG and all the shit they go thru and how their feel about society and such. Well 1 of there shows was a 2 parter on tranny chasers. So, I listen to both shows and came to the conclusion that black TG seem not to respect man that adore them. Some of the callers on the show called man that like TG fags, homo and all sorts of derogatory names. It was a wake call for me, cause im at a point in my life, thinking well maybe its may be in my best interest to pursue a TG rather then a GG. I had many relationship with GG and some have been good while other been not so good. Any way the show was a turn off, after hearing the lack of respect from a overwhelming majority of the TG, I said fuck it. How can I have a relationship with someone that deep down inside dosnt respect me for being with them. I concluded my thoughts that most TG, well the black ones, seem to have a self hatred of themselves. How can a TG feel these ways toward straight men that admire them? they must have internal hate for themselves. It just like a client hooking up with an escort. If each of them doesn’t respect one another then they have serous issues. A client could not see an escort and say to himself that escort are dirty whore seeking money cause they don’t want to work a regular 9 to 5, just as a escort can not say to herself that clients are low life, scum bags trying to get their sexual fantasy off. it’s a catch 22

Well, if anyone wants to hear the show im talking about, just PM me. Or ill post the link in the forum, as long as seanchia says it cool.

If anyone thinks there are a perfect symbiosis of t-girl and a transsexual fetish lover, they can buy a few bridges I have handy. This subject has been floating around this site for as long as there has been a Black T-girls site. We all know t-girls think of the “Dolla bills, dolla bills yall!”, first! A relationship is a distant second.
Foremost of all, these are not women, although we have made up our minds that they are; they are still genetically males with the same mind-set as any male animal in nature, sex. Human beings are not pigeons or ducks (two of the most monogamous animals in nature); they are the most complicated animals in nature. They have the capacity to think, reason, formulate tools and like any other animal in Mrs. Nature’s world, they think about sex most, if not, all the time! Men, I can honestly and expertly say, do so more than women! Why do you think they call men dogs? Dogs can sniff out pussy from a mile or two miles way!
As most of us can attest, men have a hard time being and staying monogamous. Men will stray, brag about the pussy he’s gotten, who he’s had; be it sister in laws, the girl across the street, the girl at CVS, etc. Some men, the bi guys, will even splork the pizza delivery guy, if given the opportunity!
This isn’t a perfect world and too many t-girls live in Disneyland!
They get out of the creature comfort of their parents homes (for what ever reason); sell or compromise their bodies and try to have a mind-set of the creatures from Venus. Women dream and they pray everyday to try and change the guys they have in their “safekeeping”, because they’ve snared him with that wonderful gash they have between their legs. Hell, we’ve had a president get his knob swabbed in the White House, right under his wife’s nose. He was labled a St Bernard!
I’ve heard women say to their friends, “Girl, I’m going to change him”, because this guy is a womanizer or just a slob! That won’t stop the anonymous cell phone calls, in the middle of the night or the going to the store for two hours for a pack of cigarettes or picking up his nasty draws or keep him from drinking milk from the carton and leaving a teaspoon of the Moo juice in the bottom of the container.
Women think they can whip a guy into shape and at most they can, especially when they tell him they are going to cut off his sex! When that happens, they guy straightens up for a little while. After he does what he thinks has appeased the woman, he’s off doing business as usual. He just might be fixing his radar on her best friend while she’s taking his cum-stained pants to the cleaners!
Now how can a same sex person think they can change a person of the same sex into a stay at home or take her to Red Lobster once a month kind of guy? They can’t! They (t-girls) met him when he was on his ‘predatory’ haunts; free to fuck, suck, ream, and cream and collecting more phone numbers than Yellow Book! If all else fails, he’s not going to change, unless he sees Gabriel at the Pearly Gates! Nevertheless, he’s not going to change unless he meets Morpheus and swallows the Red Pill of real world clarity.
There’s a movie out called Princessa. It’s about a transsexual who moved from her village in Brazil to Italy to ply her trade to send money back home to her impoverished mother. She always thought of meeting her Prince Charming and thought a new beginning would help her in her dreams of love and being a wife.
Things were going so-so until she met a man on the stroll that fell in love with her. He left his wife, set up shop with Princessa; give her the creature comforts of a gg; hair, nails, the latest fashions and even psychological counseling to help her through her quandary. She cooked his meals and cleaned his house; was his arm candy as he took her to the fine restaurants of Rome, until she met the guy’s wife who told her she was pregnant by her “newfound” beau.
This played on her mind because through all he had given her, there was one thing she couldn’t give him, a child! Plus, the glow started to dim when he wanted her to fuck him! She was contemplating suicide until she was stopped by a policeman who made her realize she had a lot to live for being the beautiful ‘woman’ he thought she was. That was her red pill moment and she went back to being Princessa, the transsexual, working the strolls of Rome, again. A dream of love is fleeting, but real is real!
Game recognizes game; you can’t go to Vegas and not expect anything more than gambling and a show. Quantitative, qualitative relationships with t-girls are generations away. One has to remember it took years for gays to come out of the closet to be accepted by the real world and some are still on the “down-low”! T-girls have to go beyond being on Maury, Jerry Springer and Tyra Banks shows. They have to reconcile with themselves, their immediate families and relatives and the world at large. They will have to aspire to be doctors, lawyers and even Indian chiefs to be credible and not be thought of than just sexual orifices. They have to think about being not cute and nineteen forever! Sooner rather than later, they will have to swallow a red pill; they won’t always make the height requirements to get into the amusement park.
The men have to realize that they have to quit thinking with their dicks and live up to the responsibility of monogamy, first! Men should write down the seventh commandment and put it their wallets, under that condom, as a reminder to what living with one person is all about (women, too). However, that’s like telling a Lion to be vegetarian or having Santa Claus to drop by on Labor Day! That's my take.
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Originally Posted by TVSURFER

If anyone thinks there are a perfect symbiosis of t-girl and a transsexual fetish lover, they can buy a few bridges I have handy. This subject has been floating around this site for as long as there has been a Black T-girls site. We all know t-girls think of the “Dolla bills, dolla bills yall!”, first! A relationship is a distant second.
Foremost of all, these are not women, although we have made up our minds that they are; they are still genetically males with the same mind-set as any male animal in nature, sex. Human beings are not pigeons or ducks (two of the most monogamous animals in nature); they are the most complicated animals in nature. They have the capacity to think, reason, formulate tools and like any other animal in Mrs. Nature’s world, they think about sex most, if not, all the time! Men, I can honestly and expertly say, do so more than women! Why do you think they call men dogs? Dogs can sniff out pussy from a mile or two miles way!
As most of us can attest, men have a hard time being and staying monogamous. Men will stray, brag about the pussy he’s gotten, who he’s had; be it sister in laws, the girl across the street, the girl at CVS, etc. Some men, the bi guys, will even splork the pizza delivery guy, if given the opportunity!
This isn’t a perfect world and too many t-girls live in Disneyland!
They get out of the creature comfort of their parents homes (for what ever reason); sell or compromise their bodies and try to have a mind-set of the creatures from Venus. Women dream and they pray everyday to try and change the guys they have in their “safekeeping”, because they’ve snared him with that wonderful gash they have between their legs. Hell, we’ve had a president get his knob swabbed in the White House, right under his wife’s nose. He was labled a St Bernard!
I’ve heard women say to their friends, “Girl, I’m going to change him”, because this guy is a womanizer or just a slob! That won’t stop the anonymous cell phone calls, in the middle of the night or the going to the store for two hours for a pack of cigarettes or picking up his nasty draws or keep him from drinking milk from the carton and leaving a teaspoon of the Moo juice in the bottom of the container.
Women think they can whip a guy into shape and at most they can, especially when they tell him they are going to cut off his sex! When that happens, they guy straightens up for a little while. After he does what he thinks has appeased the woman, he’s off doing business as usual. He just might be fixing his radar on her best friend while she’s taking his cum-stained pants to the cleaners!
Now how can a same sex person think they can change a person of the same sex into a stay at home or take her to Red Lobster once a month kind of guy? They can’t! They (t-girls) met him when he was on his ‘predatory’ haunts; free to fuck, suck, ream, and cream and collecting more phone numbers than Yellow Book! If all else fails, he’s not going to change, unless he sees Gabriel at the Pearly Gates! Nevertheless, he’s not going to change unless he meets Morpheus and swallows the Red Pill of real world clarity.
There’s a movie out called Princessa. It’s about a transsexual who moved from her village in Brazil to Italy to ply her trade to send money back home to her impoverished mother. She always thought of meeting her Prince Charming and thought a new beginning would help her in her dreams of love and being a wife.
Things were going so-so until she met a man on the stroll that fell in love with her. He left his wife, set up shop with Princessa; give her the creature comforts of a gg; hair, nails, the latest fashions and even psychological counseling to help her through her quandary. She cooked his meals and cleaned his house; was his arm candy as he took her to the fine restaurants of Rome, until she met the guy’s wife who told her she was pregnant by her “newfound” beau.
This played on her mind because through all he had given her, there was one thing she couldn’t give him, a child! Plus, the glow started to dim when he wanted her to fuck him! She was contemplating suicide until she was stopped by a policeman who made her realize she had a lot to live for being the beautiful ‘woman’ he thought she was. That was her red pill moment and she went back to being Princessa, the transsexual, working the strolls of Rome, again. A dream of love is fleeting, but real is real!
Game recognizes game; you can’t go to Vegas and not expect anything more than gambling and a show. Quantitative, qualitative relationships with t-girls are generations away. One has to remember it took years for gays to come out of the closet to be accepted by the real world and some are still on the “down-low”! T-girls have to go beyond being on Maury, Jerry Springer and Tyra Banks shows. They have to reconcile with themselves, their immediate families and relatives and the world at large. They will have to aspire to be doctors, lawyers and even Indian chiefs to be credible and not be thought of than just sexual orifices. They have to think about being not cute and nineteen forever! Sooner rather than later, they will have to swallow a red pill; they won’t always make the height requirements to get into the amusement park.
The men have to realize that they have to quit thinking with their dicks and live up to the responsibility of monogamy, first! Men should write down the seventh commandment and put it their wallets, under that condom, as a reminder to what living with one person is all about (women, too). However, that’s like telling a Lion to be vegetarian or having Santa Claus to drop by on Labor Day! That's my take.
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I was awaiting your post on this topic, and I must say on many points I agree as I knew I would. Males in nearly all species 1st priority is propogation and that means sex with as many various people as possible on a strictly primal level I mean. However we as humans do have the conscious to rise above that 'primal' mindset. I could go on for a bit with this line of reasoning but I'm not cause you did fairly good job.

I do also disagree though, though 'ts' being genetically male have that same 'primal' mindset they also are being chemically altered physically and mentally toward that of a female. Of course many of the 'escorts' eschew hormones or don't take them properly (i.e. taking estrogen and not anti-androgens as well) so they can still preform.

I do not look down on a person due to how they choose to make their money, provided they aren't hurting anyone. Saying that they have to be Dr., lawyers, etc to be credible is something that I can not agree with. Is a GG any less credible cause she chooses to work in the adult industry or escort? When I was first getting into this business all my local photog friends swore to me that I would regret working in the adult industry and how base it was and that it's not art and a foul business to be associated with. I don't think it is and I can personally care less what anyone else thinks. Hence, why I am here doing what I do. People become doctors and lawyers for one of two reasons, either the money or they have a true passion for that field. If a chick is a 'freak in the sheets' and decides she might as well get paid for it, more power to her. A persons profession is not the sum of that person, take a little time and get to know them. I'm not trying to sound like Cpt Save-A-Hoe. There are many 'ts' that have never escorted a day in their lifes and work normal jobs. I know a local white ts that works at NASA, one that works as a Bank Teller, and another who works for VDOT. People choose to do what they want to do. 'Ts' and 'GG' that are being thought of as 'sexual orifices' are those that are in that field of work, and I imagine at least some of them have more to them given the right opportunity to get to know them.

Some real good conversation in this thread..
Ty-Clone made the point of the radio talk show and the t-girls dissin' guys like us, & it been brought up multiple times throughout the thread.
Obviously its a complex and personal issue that manifests itself differently with every girl, but I think t-girls as a whole are vex'd primarily at the hypocrisy they seen in us; i.e. guys strickly fetishize them, guys who are too scarred to be seen with them, the whole hyporisy of 'straight' dudes getting topped etc..
I really think that takes a mental toll on alot of girls which builds in resentment..
Add in the grind of the escort bizness & the result is the oft-time messed up dynamics that characterize the t-girl and the t-girl admirer.
My synopsis: women have issues, t-girls have even more issues, and we are f*ck'd because we love 'em.:D