I think most guys/girls seek excusivity

[eyekandyts]

I believe that we as ts women are very impatient, which rectify as good and bad on our part. In saying so we choose to push the envelope on some of the thing that people work hard for,or to chose finance over romance. But u gentlemen have to be able to see it our way as we look at things from both sides of the fence LITERALLY!

[SEXYTSJESSDOTCOM]

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No one in this World is PERFECT! First off lets talk about Men who Claim to love transsexuals and CLAIM to BE STRAIGHT!! Lets not live in La La Land. If your SOO straight. Tell your Mother Father Brother Sisters that your into Transsexuals. Lets see how they WILL perceive you. Why do You men Speculate on mostly Working Women. Is it that we are on Web site as such? Which only Leave me to believe that thats all you know!! Diversify. All Gorgeous Trannys are not ESCORTS. Understand! Those Colorful Opinions ARE Hilarious to me. As to say "They Get Out Of The Creature Comfort Of Their Parents Homes (for What Ever Reason); Sell Or Compromise Their Bodies And Try To Have A Mind-set Of The Creatures From." How Rhetorical. Your sexually Charged views are reasons to have many trannys to have resentment. You cannot Compare Women vs. Trannys. Its not the same and cannot be categorized in such manners. "Quantitative, Qualitative Relationships With T-girls Are Generations Away. " Please.. and Black presidents are as well...lol "They Will Have To Aspire To Be Doctors, Lawyers And Even Indian Chiefs To Be Credible And Not Be Thought Of Than Just Sexual Orifices. They Have To Think About Being Not Cute And Nineteen Forever! Sooner Rather Than Later," Please there are Tranny Doctors Lawyers and Judges WELL known People Making a Difference in the World today and to come!! How could u remotely Say such a thing?? Men can be faithful and be monogamous.


[B]Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
I know it might sound like they are bashing and "hating" on all men but in reality, to learned individual, what they are really saying is that they dislike their life and they hate the poor choices they've made, therefore they take it on the next sucker or herb who doesn't have the confidence or intelligence to go toe to toe with them. That's like the hubby who gets shitted on at work and comes home to beat his wife and kid instead of dealing with his boss like a man. Displaced anger...

Sorry I read WORNG... We are mad at men who make poor judgment decision on relationships.. We are mad at men that cant come to term with their TRUE sexuality. Thats what we are mad at.

MrKnockOut
The truth is, I am sure there of plenty of real men out here who would love to openly date, get to know, and chilll with a transsexual beyond just the physical part.

Totally True... But it all depends on the Approach and Deliverance of his ACTIONS.

Why? Well, if I talk to one too many ts, or I go to a gay club to find one, or I do any of a long list of "forbidden" things than I am labeled a tranny chaser, trade, etc. Again, it is what it is. However, it it's ok for her to "date" her way to the top.

Umm well that depends on that very own situation. What are the Forbiden things you do? Nothing is never it is what it is. Its very logical reasoning for what happens and every reaction. but Who said it WAS okay for A TS to "DATE" her way to the top... Please Clarify. WHAT TOP? WHERE IS SHE GOING??? DATE HER WAY TO WAT?

I think it all comes down to exclusivity. More so for TS than men. Whereas most admirers don't mind a girl who's been around the block, most TS won't be caught dead with a guy who's fucked more than 2 transsexuals as a serious partner. A weird game of my morality is better than yours if you ask me. Only until we get pass this childish idealogy, we will stay chasing the same chicken and egg theories of the past...

I love a Well Experienced Man who has Dwelt with Trannys and I love men who Dont know a DAMN thing about em. Its all in how He handles the Situation. If he acts out in a Sexual manners then yeah.. I stop all communications. I move on. I try to look at the situation from a spectrum point of view. I evaluate and then I Declare my decision. That's with a guy who has been around the block and a newbie... I give everyone a chance due to the nature that. ex. The way he treated ts queen ding a ling is not the way he's going to treat me. EveryONE is different

"mr f. i think that's an interesting approach to this topic. I wonder if the women who work in the escort lifestyle see the hypocrisy in their choice/beliefs. on one hand u want a totally committed and honest guy whose never been involved with another tranny, and on the other hand u want to continue to work via escorting, dating, fucking, and sucking the client (or not) with the deepest wallet? she demands exclusiveness yet she isn't willing to give it. thats an unrealistic burden of trust to lay on a guy....trust me baby, all these guys I have sex with are paying clients...how can u want something u really aren't likely to reciprocate?"

Who in there Right mind wants to BE WIT A WORKING GURL and EVEN TRY to ATTEMPT to be in a COMMITTED Relationship AT THE SAME TIME!!! Just does not WORK... AS REMY757 said..."If a guy chooses to enter a relationship with an escort he is either going to have to accept her business or help her transition from the fast money lifestyle to the 9-5 job lifestyle (not an easy thing) which will probably mean taking care of her financially for a while."
Which means that if your not trying to help her.. and she see its going to be substantial. There has to be a COMPROMISE!!! Which most men CANT & WONT do. Being that They dont want to feel like they are Tricking... With that being said. Thats all B.S. So dont blame the gurl. If she WANTED and there was a way to stop SHE WOULD!!!

remy757
"I do also disagree though, though 'ts' being genetically male have that same 'primal' mindset they also are being chemically altered physically and mentally toward that of a female. Of course many of the 'escorts' eschew hormones or don't take them properly (i.e. taking estrogen and not anti-androgens as well) so they can still perform. I do not look down on a person due to how they choose to make their money, provided they aren't hurting anyone. Saying that they have to be Dr., lawyers, etc to be credible is something that I can not agree with."

I could just Give u a Big Hugggg what a Relief... And we from the same area.. uhhhhh OMG..

[TSMEGANFOXXDOTCOM]

Wow, it's definitely some interesting and "colorful" POVs here... However, did ANY of you think that perhaps a TRANSGENDERED woman might know more about "Trans issues" more than ANY ignorant, self righteous, escort chaser on here???

Let me first start by shedding some light on MY background as to lay a foundation for any future replies.

I have been a transgendered woman for over 11 years (No microwave tranny here... strictly slow roasted and well preserved LOL). Have a BFA and am currently working on my first Masters degree. I have held positions as a make-up artist, make-up artist trainer, model (been a lead in 3 music videos, featured on the cover of 4 national magazines, 1 commercial, and numerous fashion shows, and currently STILL represent 2 national clothing lines as their ad campaign model). I have spoken on transgendered issues at Howard University for a friend (a transgendered nurse working on her Masters degree), as well as counseled and mentored the new generation of transwomen at GMHC (a gay, lesbian & transgendered high school in NYC). PLEASE RESPECT MY AUTHORITY...LOL

It's quite unfortunate that so many of you tranny fans that claim to have so much love for us show such little respect for your fetish. It's sad that your knowledge of trannys doesn't extend past EROS.COM. Albeit, a great deal of transwomen ARE in the adult entertainment industry. We ALL aren't.... The next time you're browsing your normal sites checking out what girl has new pics or seeing who's coming into your town for the weekend try looking on the FEMALE side. They have far more advertisements that transexuals, yet I don't see you all referring to ALL women as "sex workers" and "money grubbers"

I, myself got into the adult entertainment industry 2 years ago primarily because of the lack of respect from men I've encountered in the dating pool. YOUR sexually charged, ignorant views are what cause so many transwomen to resent men and join the ranks of the escort community in the first place. If I, an educated tranny can't find someone accepting of my lifestyle without harboring some sexually deviant behavior (ex. dating me, while secretly hitting on my friends, dating one TS yet paying for escort services from others, only coming around when YOU want something from US ect.) what hope is there for the rest of us? A relationship is NOT based on YOUR convenience. Subsequently, after I adopted the "If you can't beat them, join them attitude" I noticed leagues of other trannys with new escort advertisements. This told me that I was NOT the only one dealing with these issues with men. Guess great minds think alike. After all, if all we are only be viewed as "Sex objects" for which you fulfill your fetishes with, why not be compensated for our time? It's my personal belief that with anything in life it's not what you do, but how you do it.

I can't say I'm really surprised by how most of you think of us... Just shocked that you never took the time to do YOUR RESEARCH on the subject. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that your ONLY dealings with transwomen have been through escorting web sites and porn. There are thousands of transwomen in the workforce. I'm quite sure you'd call me a fool to say "All Jewish men must be cheap bankers" or "All black men must be drug dealers on welfare". Yet, for some reason you all only see us through the small remote dealings you've had. Your views show more about your INTENTIONS than your ignorance. (Perhaps you'd display a more well rounded view of us if you actually stopped looking at escort sites online and stepped from behind your computers and into the "REAL" world. The last time I checked there was no "Tranny world", just the one we ALL are blessed to life in).

What trannys have you people been dealing with that have caused so many of you to project these unrealistic views of what a "tranny wants"? I personally don't care whether a man has had little or no experience with other girls. What it boils down to is how he treats ME. Also, being that I am now in the adult entertainment industry I would NOT consider the idea of a relationship a good idea for myself. Why on earth would any one of YOU even want to date an escort in the first place? Talk about a dumb move..... You'd set yourself up by trying to be exclusive with someone that's clearly not going to reciprocate? I don't think anyone's that foolish... More than likely you're looking for a FREE fling with the tranny of your choice and if it means you gotta spend some quality time, then so be it. Most women and trannys alike expect men to take care of certain financial needs if they are being accommodating as well. By no means does this make them "gold diggers". I, personally am accustomed to receiving gifts and shopping sprees to Louis Vuitton, Bergdorf Goodman, and other retailers from my clients/friends. So why shouldn't I expect the same from someone I'm DATING? Don't get me wrong, I don't suggest for someone to constantly stay in boutiques and such or max out his credit cards to shower me with gifts. But, that let's ME know that I'm more than just a sex object when you LISTEN to the things I say I want and take the initiative to get them for me. I make more than enough money to buy ANYTHING I want for myself, but the act of someone else putting MY wants ABOVE his own makes me feel confident in our bond. I have taken a few guys I was dating on a shopping sprees as well and spent thousands and that made ME feel closer to them and more secure in the relationship we had with one another. Relationships are about expressing your feelings for one another and different people show their emotions in various ways. But, to label trannys as "Out for $$$" is downright foolish. The ONLY reason a tranny would be seeking money from you is because you are CLIENT. Most trannys I associate with in the escorting industry make well over $200,000 a year. In terms of DATING and RELATIONSHIPS we don't want your money, we want your respect.

Since most of you think to know so much about trannys and claim to actually be looking for someone of substance please take the time to volunteer at your local GLBT Non profit organization. Hell, google Dateline's 2 part documentary on transgendered women or even Oprah's transgender episode before you click that "reply" button. I am very interested in having in this discussion, but have no time for ignorance and refuse to speak with anyone that has not taken the time to educate themselves on the topic they claim to love so much.

[kilakali]

But, to label trannys as "Out for $$$" is downright foolish. The ONLY reason a tranny would be seeking money from you is because you are CLIENT. Most trannys I associate with in the escorting industry make well over $200,000 a year. In terms of DATING and RELATIONSHIPS we don't want your money, we want your respect.

Well stated Megan I have a ton of transgender friends(many that are on this site). I have never been a "client", and not once has any of them EVER ask me for money. Quite a few girls I know are in that tax bracket as well; actually many have paid when we go out. I also know many working legitimate jobs even excutives as myself.
I want to state not all of us on this forum are misinformed about T-girls, as I have been dating them exclusively for 6 yrs now. You also need to understand that this is a porn site, and so it will cater more to chasers,DL's, and men who just fantasize about T-girls. Thank You and Jessica for sharing yout insight.

[ty-clone]

They have far more advertisements that transexuals, yet I don't see you all referring to ALL women as "sex workers" and "money grubbers"

are you kidding me, what man dosnt think of a GG as a "sex workers" and "money grubbers". most men, let say 95% of us, think GG use what they have, to get what they want.
did you see chris rock last show, he said a man walks down a street looks into a store and sees something that he wants then say to himself "i got to find a way how i'm going to get that"
a women walk down the same street look into the same store and sees something she wants then says to herself "i got to find a man that going to give me that"

[TSSexyChanel]

the Fantastic Part Of Being A Transexual Is The Ability To Live The Contridiction That The Body Portrays. The Majority Of The Views Of Transexual Women Are As Conflicting As Their Bodies. While Possessing Feminine Appeal They Still Have The Most Masculine Of Features Between Thier Legs.

Girls Take This Into Thier Real Life And Are Walking, Living, Breathing Contridictions. The Same Whore That Will Justify Sleeping With Thousands Of Men All Over The Country Will Tell Friends Of Mine When They Try To Get To Know Them On A Personal Level They Are Trannie Chasers For Having One Of Two Experiences With A Few Girls. I Have Friends That I Havent Even Had Sex With Have Girls Tell Them They Not Intrested Cause They Know Me.

It May Seem That On A Whole That Transexual Women Are Self Centered Self Absorbed Cunts But As Someone That Has Traveled And Met Girls From All Over The World I Can Say That The Representation Of What You Might Experience On The Net Is Not A True Representation Of Transexual Women At All.

There Are Very Few Of Us With True Intellegence That Can Sit Here First Because Life Is Lived Off The Net And Second Because We Know What Is Here. Frankly The Only Reason I Even Visit Forums Like This Is Due To The Fact That I Have So Many Male Friends That Are In Situations Or Areas Where They Have No Access To Transexual Ladies Or Their True Nature Of Thinking.

[ty-clone]

The Same Whore That Will Justify Sleeping With Thousands Of Men All Over The Country Will Tell Friends Of Mine When They Try To Get To Know Them On A Personal Level They Are Trannie Chasers For Having One Of Two Experiences With A Few Girls.

bravo bravo bravo, you have giving me new found hope. its refreshing to hear a TG with a great sense of reality.
thank you for keeping it real

[BlkMuscleTop]

Girls Take This Into Thier Real Life And Are Walking, Living, Breathing Contridictions. The Same Whore That Will Justify Sleeping With Thousands Of Men All Over The Country Will Tell Friends Of Mine When They Try To Get To Know Them On A Personal Level They Are Trannie Chasers For Having One Of Two Experiences With A Few Girls. I Have Friends That I Havent Even Had Sex With Have Girls Tell Them They Not Intrested Cause They Know Me.

This reminds me Chanel of a book I read called "Travestis" by Don Kulick. He lived with some Brazilian Transgendered sex workers and that is a theme that they all had. Any guy that was their boyfriend would cease to any longer be so if he was found to have slept with their other transgendered friends. One of the reason the TG women gave was that other girls could turn around and rub it in their faces that they were "fucking their man" if they ever got into arguments.

Some said they would prefer he was cheating with Genetic Girls rather than other TG ladies, at least that way it couldn't be thrown back in their faces later on.

[MrKnockOut]

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No one in this World is PERFECT! First off lets talk about Men who Claim to love transsexuals and CLAIM to BE STRAIGHT!! Lets not live in La La Land. If your SOO straight. Tell your Mother Father Brother Sisters that your into Transsexuals. Lets see how they WILL perceive you. Why do You men Speculate on mostly Working Women. Is it that we are on Web site as such? Which only Leave me to believe that thats all you know!! Diversify. All Gorgeous Trannys are not ESCORTS. Understand! Those Colorful Opinions ARE Hilarious to me. As to say "They Get Out Of The Creature Comfort Of Their Parents Homes (for What Ever Reason); Sell Or Compromise Their Bodies And Try To Have A Mind-set Of The Creatures From." How Rhetorical. Your sexually Charged views are reasons to have many trannys to have resentment. You cannot Compare Women vs. Trannys. Its not the same and cannot be categorized in such manners. "Quantitative, Qualitative Relationships With T-girls Are Generations Away. " Please.. and Black presidents are as well...lol "They Will Have To Aspire To Be Doctors, Lawyers And Even Indian Chiefs To Be Credible And Not Be Thought Of Than Just Sexual Orifices. They Have To Think About Being Not Cute And Nineteen Forever! Sooner Rather Than Later," Please there are Tranny Doctors Lawyers and Judges WELL known People Making a Difference in the World today and to come!! How could u remotely Say such a thing?? Men can be faithful and be monogamous.


[B]Originally Posted by MrKnockOut
I know it might sound like they are bashing and "hating" on all men but in reality, to learned individual, what they are really saying is that they dislike their life and they hate the poor choices they've made, therefore they take it on the next sucker or herb who doesn't have the confidence or intelligence to go toe to toe with them. That's like the hubby who gets shitted on at work and comes home to beat his wife and kid instead of dealing with his boss like a man. Displaced anger...

Sorry I read WORNG... We are mad at men who make poor judgment decision on relationships.. We are mad at men that cant come to term with their TRUE sexuality. Thats what we are mad at.

MrKnockOut
The truth is, I am sure there of plenty of real men out here who would love to openly date, get to know, and chilll with a transsexual beyond just the physical part.

Totally True... But it all depends on the Approach and Deliverance of his ACTIONS.

Why? Well, if I talk to one too many ts, or I go to a gay club to find one, or I do any of a long list of "forbidden" things than I am labeled a tranny chaser, trade, etc. Again, it is what it is. However, it it's ok for her to "date" her way to the top.

Umm well that depends on that very own situation. What are the Forbiden things you do? Nothing is never it is what it is. Its very logical reasoning for what happens and every reaction. but Who said it WAS okay for A TS to "DATE" her way to the top... Please Clarify. WHAT TOP? WHERE IS SHE GOING??? DATE HER WAY TO WAT?

I think it all comes down to exclusivity. More so for TS than men. Whereas most admirers don't mind a girl who's been around the block, most TS won't be caught dead with a guy who's fucked more than 2 transsexuals as a serious partner. A weird game of my morality is better than yours if you ask me. Only until we get pass this childish idealogy, we will stay chasing the same chicken and egg theories of the past...

I love a Well Experienced Man who has Dwelt with Trannys and I love men who Dont know a DAMN thing about em. Its all in how He handles the Situation. If he acts out in a Sexual manners then yeah.. I stop all communications. I move on. I try to look at the situation from a spectrum point of view. I evaluate and then I Declare my decision. That's with a guy who has been around the block and a newbie... I give everyone a chance due to the nature that. ex. The way he treated ts queen ding a ling is not the way he's going to treat me. EveryONE is different

"mr f. i think that's an interesting approach to this topic. I wonder if the women who work in the escort lifestyle see the hypocrisy in their choice/beliefs. on one hand u want a totally committed and honest guy whose never been involved with another tranny, and on the other hand u want to continue to work via escorting, dating, fucking, and sucking the client (or not) with the deepest wallet? she demands exclusiveness yet she isn't willing to give it. thats an unrealistic burden of trust to lay on a guy....trust me baby, all these guys I have sex with are paying clients...how can u want something u really aren't likely to reciprocate?"

Who in there Right mind wants to BE WIT A WORKING GURL and EVEN TRY to ATTEMPT to be in a COMMITTED Relationship AT THE SAME TIME!!! Just does not WORK... AS REMY757 said..."If a guy chooses to enter a relationship with an escort he is either going to have to accept her business or help her transition from the fast money lifestyle to the 9-5 job lifestyle (not an easy thing) which will probably mean taking care of her financially for a while."
Which means that if your not trying to help her.. and she see its going to be substantial. There has to be a COMPROMISE!!! Which most men CANT & WONT do. Being that They dont want to feel like they are Tricking... With that being said. Thats all B.S. So dont blame the gurl. If she WANTED and there was a way to stop SHE WOULD!!!

remy757
"I do also disagree though, though 'ts' being genetically male have that same 'primal' mindset they also are being chemically altered physically and mentally toward that of a female. Of course many of the 'escorts' eschew hormones or don't take them properly (i.e. taking estrogen and not anti-androgens as well) so they can still perform. I do not look down on a person due to how they choose to make their money, provided they aren't hurting anyone. Saying that they have to be Dr., lawyers, etc to be credible is something that I can not agree with."

I could just Give u a Big Hugggg what a Relief... And we from the same area.. uhhhhh OMG..

jess, you made some really good points. however, some of your points left me wanting...you wrote that u date/dated guys who are new and guys who are experienced with dating ts. however would u consider a guy who was a little chubby or a little short, or a guy who doesn't have a lot of money, etc? my point is that i have found thru reading and shadowing ts forums like this one, is that most (not all) ts, especially black ts are extremely caught up on materialistic or physical aspects of a potential mate. your analysis of this post suggests that u have, at some point and time, gone beyond looking at the physical/material aspect of a mans qualifications. as far as why do men who like transsexuals label themselves straight, well, i think its a matter of perceptions. i choose to look at ts as women, not men. therfore, i consider myself straight. that creates less confusion in my mind. some see things differently. also as far as openly dating a ts, i wouldn't mind doing so if she knew how to act as a woman and not a child. lady in the street, freak in the bed. you made the assumption that all men bring all their significant others home to meet family. i really need to know we are about something before u meet my family, ts or female.

[TSSexyChanel]

This reminds me Chanel of a book I read called "Travestis" by Don Kulick. He lived with some Brazilian Transgendered sex workers and that is a theme that they all had. Any guy that was their boyfriend would cease to any longer be so if he was found to have slept with their other transgendered friends. One of the reason the TG women gave was that other girls could turn around and rub it in their faces that they were "fucking their man" if they ever got into arguments.

Some said they would prefer he was cheating with Genetic Girls rather than other TG ladies, at least that way it couldn't be thrown back in their faces later on.

I read that book very interesting to say the least.